Zach Lowe: "Steph curry is going to go down as a top 15, top 20 all time player, actually top 20 is too low, he's going to be higher than that"

名记Zach Lowe：“斯蒂芬-库里最后大概会跻身历史前十五或前二十。哎其实前二十太低啦，他会比这个位置高的。”

It looks like the media is finally acknowledging Steph as an all time great player again. I'm really curious when and what it would take the media to dare to utter Steph as coming for the best PG ever.

看来媒体终于再次承认库里是历史级别的优秀球员了。我很好奇他们什么时候才敢抛出“库里正冲着历史最佳控卫这个头衔去了”的想法。

Thoughts on zachs forecast?

大家对Zach的预测有啥看法吗？

[–][OKC] Raymond FeltonDTttfu 628 指標 5小時前*

There has never been a player in my lifetime that was so fucking good at a thing (shooting) that we ended up changing how we view the game entirely. What they taught when I was playing high school ball is completely different then how they teach it now and that’s because of Steph. That alone has to count for a lot.

Edit: ok I realize people were shooting 3s before Steph you guys lol

我这一辈子还没见过一个人能够如此专精于一项技能（投射）以至于完全彻底地改变了我们对比赛的认识。就因为库里，现在高中教的篮球跟我当年那会儿已经完全不一样了。光这一点就很说明问题了。

编辑：好了好了不用一个个艾特我了，我知道在库里出现之前大家就在投三分了。

[–]LakersBoogiesAchilles 422 指標 5小時前

Steph ruined pick up basketball

库里毁掉了野球场。

[–][BKN] Brook Lopezshoegarbagebiology 214 指標 4小時前

In regular 1s and 2s pickup it's even more impactful. Having a 3 worth twice the amount as 2 is just a back-breaker in pickup.

在三分算两个球的野球局，库里的影响力甚至更为明显。一个三分顶两个两分球，这野球没法打了！

[–]CelticsAll_About_18 134 指標 4小時前

Can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried explaining that to my friends. You need to shoot 3s in pick up games. I mean, it’s not like anyone has a problem with chucking 35 footers anyway smfh.

我都不知道跟我朋友说了多少遍了：打野球得多投三分呀！反正也没人会怪你瞎扔超远三分打铁嘛！

[–][BOS] Luigi Datometonyhawk8 79 指標 3小時前

I can't shoot at all so I am always an advocate for all 1's or 2s and 3s

我完全不会投篮，所以不管是进球算一分、两分还是三分，我都支持！

[–]MoistTemporary 108 指標 5小時前

It's because people underestimated how impactful a 3-pt shot is, it's arguably the most important shot in basketball right now. It's almost an insult when people say "oh he's just a GOAT shooter" as if shooting is just a so-so niche in the world of basketball.

大家之前都低估了三分球的威力，三分可能是当下篮球最重要的武器了。人们说库里“只不过是一个历史最佳射手而已嘛”的时候基本上算是侮辱他，就好像这个头衔在篮球世界里根本算不了什么一样。

[–]justforgetwhy 51 指標 3小時前

Steph changed the beliefs around 3pt shooting at the perfect time where math(common sense, really) finally really took hold and changed the way that teams make decisions.

It's really the perfect storm of a generational talent combined with a new wave of thinking.

库里改变人们对于三分的观念的时间点很巧，那恰好是数学统计（其实也就是常识啦）终于站稳脚跟，改变了球队制定决策的时候。

这真的是完美风暴：跨时代的天赋碰上了新思想潮流。

[–]NBAEmmettRapaportNBA 364 指標 5小時前

Definitely. Anyone who thinks he won't be top 15/20 is absurd.

3x Champ, 2x MVP, 5x All-Star, 5x All-NBA, 50-40-90, and greatest shooter ever. He will also get more championship rings and most likely a FMVP or two.

He will probably end up as the 2nd greatest PG of all time, behind only Magic.

绝对的！说他不可能进前十五／前二十的都是失了智。

库里手握3冠、2届MVP、5届全明星和5届最佳阵容。他是50+40+90俱乐部的成员，还是史上最佳射手。而且他未来还会有更多的总冠军戒指，也极有可能拿下一两个FMVP。

他最后很可能成为历史第二的控卫，仅次于魔术师。

[–]fabosexy[S] 328 指標 5小時前

Curry is already the 2nd best pg.

库里已经是历史第二控卫了。

[–]JazzShiroTagachi898 172 指標 4小時前*

Honestly not sure why you got downvoted. As a lifelong Jazz fan I love me some Stockton but honestly Curry is clearly ahead at this point both in skill and hardware attained.

Also, if the average user on this sub has Curry top 15 all-time, how could he be anything BUT number 2 PG to Magic? If guys have Stockton or Robertson or whoever higher than that I'm honestly surprised.

EDIT: Ah there are your upvotes :)

爵士球迷：不懂为什么有人灭你。作为一个爵士终身粉，我自然很爱斯托克顿，但是说实话，库里目前已经领先老斯了，不论是技巧还是取得的荣誉。

同时，如果话题区JR平均来看都把库里排到历史前十五的话，那他可不就是仅次于魔术师的第二控卫了么？难以想象有人会把斯托克顿或者奥斯卡-罗伯森什么的排那么高。

编辑：你的亮来啦:)

[–]Jesmer8490 95 指標 3小時前

While Curry is a much better scorer and shooter. You cannot deny that Stockton is a much better passer(not flashier) and miles ahead Defensively. He is #1 in assists and steals(2nd place for steals is Jason Kidd and he is about 800 steals behind)! You guys are forgetting how great Stockton was.

比起老斯，库里确实在得分和投射方面更出众。但是，不能否认的是，斯托克顿显然是一个好得多（不是指更华丽）的传球手，而防守方面，库里也根本看不到老斯的车尾灯。斯托克顿是总助攻榜第一，抢断榜第一（第二名的基德比他少了800个抢断）！你们都忘了斯托克顿有多伟大了。

[–]TamamoNoYay 54 指標 3小時前

Curry will never sniff the kind of assist volume as Stockton. He’s on a team where he’s more likely to get a hockey assist due to ball movement and initially drawing coverage to himself. As amazing as Stockton was I think in the end Curry’s achievements will top his longevity. Plus the dude broke the game.

库里永远也无法接近斯托克顿的助攻量。库里现在所处的队伍球的转移更多更流畅，再加上库有引力，那库里更有可能拿到二次助攻而不是直接的助攻。虽然斯托克顿很出色，但我觉得待库里退役之时，他所取得的成就会压过斯托克顿的常青。另外，库里可是彻底改变了比赛啊。

[–]Warriorscrabsock 61 指標 3小時前

It partly comes down to how much you value rings and accolades. 2 MVPs and 3 rings counts for a lot when you're comparing against someone with 0 of both, but it's pretty subjective how much weight you give that stuff relative to how effective they were on the court on a night-to-night basis

勇士球迷：这一部分取决于你有多看重总冠军戒指和个人荣誉。2届MVP和3个总冠军确实很有分量，毕竟库里的比较对象（斯托克顿）可是俩都没有。但话又说回来，就一个人眼中这些荣誉到底能多大程度上体现该球员每晚的场上表现而言，那就是挺主观的事儿了。

[–][MIL] Corey MaggetteGreekYeet 132 指標 5小時前

Unanimous MVP, lot of chips and greatest shooter by far. Sounds top 15 to me

全票MVP，多届总冠军，史上最佳射手。我觉得历史前十五没毛病。

[–]F7U12_ANALYSIS 59 指標 5小時前

I don't think Top 10 is out of the question if he ages well. Sucks he was injured so much early in his career and had to wait awhile to get a good coach.

如果库里能优雅地衰老的话，我觉得前十也不是完全不可能啊。可惜了库里生涯前期受了那么多伤，也花了那么长时间才等来了一个好教练。

[–]KingsTheFoxKing5 56 指標 4小時前

Looking at the current top 10 it's pretty much out of the question imo. But top 15 is definitely within his reach.

我看了看现在的历史前十，感觉基本上是没戏的哈。但是前十五绝对是可以的。

[–]Heatwormhole222 79 指標 5小時前

Peak wise I agree. Longevity we'll see.

就巅峰而论，我同意。但就生涯常青这方面，还有待商榷。

[–]LakersHenryPurcell 102 指標 5小時前

Greatest shooter ever, and easily top 15 when it's all said and done. I don't know if he can dethrone Magic though.

湖人球迷：他是史上最佳射手，退役之时轻松进前十五啊。不过我不知道他能不能把魔术师从第一的宝座挤下来了。

[–]CelticsMarcusNotSmart 78 指標 5小時前

Easily top 15 is stretching it. He might be too 15 but there are so many legends competing for top 15 that it will never be easy unless you’re like Kobe/Duncan/Shaq Level at the minimum

凯尔特人球迷：说轻松前十五有点夸张了。他可能可以进前十五，但是同时也有那么多传奇球员在竞争着历史前十五的宝座呢。想要拿轻松这个词来形容其难度，那你至少得达到科比／邓肯／奥尼尔的水平。

[–]MoistBackground 61 指標 5小時前

Top 15 is more jerry west, karl malone, kg, oscar robertson tier. It's not a stretch for curry to be in that spot.

前十五的水准更像是杰里-韦斯特、卡尔-马龙、加内特和奥斯卡-罗伯森之类的。这对库里来说不算夸张。

[–]Senseisntsocommon 66 指標 5小時前

Isn't it usually 12 where it stops being pretty universal:

In no order (MJ, KAJ, LBJ, Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Hakeem).

So yeah seems like it would be back end of top 15 doesn't seem to be that huge of a stretch.

其实第十二名以后才开始有争议：

排名不分先后：乔丹，贾巴尔，詹姆斯，魔术师，伯德，拉塞尔，张伯伦，奥尼尔，科比，邓肯，奥拉朱旺。

所以。确实啊。库里退役之时大概会在第十四第十五的位置，这绝对不算牵强。